CAA (Professionals) — Proposed change in Arborist system in HK (香港最新搞作的所謂 “行業咨詢") 2016.3.21

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會員們:

本會近日從坊間獲悉, 香港 樹木辦 在二月底攪了一個所謂的 “行業咨詢大會” ,但只是邀請了三數間 “友好組織 ”,和一眾與其關係良好的學術機構,就當是完全有 “行業代表性” 了。 這些 “友好組織” 除了從來不對 樹木辦 作出任何批評以外,又以景觀工程承包商為主 (聽令於景觀師的人),最小的組織可能只有二十人左右,最大的也不過是百多人,這相對與CAA的七千人以上的龐大組織來比,相差甚遠,其代表性相當存疑。

本會不受邀請出席這“大會”是意料中事。 更奇怪的是,為何香港管樹最多 (超過700,000棵市區樹)、 組織最大 (近七千名員工)、最有歷史 (從英國人到現在) 的康文署也沒有被邀請? 假如有人將此就說成是具有 “行業代表性”, 你在騙誰?

另外一點令人感覺莫名其妙的是,“驗樹第八改” (http://www.chinaarbor.com/caa-professionals-tram-guidelines-rev-8-%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E7%9A%84-%E9%A9%97%E6%A8%B9%E6%8C%87%E5%BC%95-%E7%AC%AC%E5%85%AB%E6%94%B9/) 出籠才不到四個月,新的 “樹藝人員資歷建議” (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uj3l0nl0ioli5vw/AACZzvlYTEc1DblxGL2qJITsa?dl=0) 又準備 “咨詢’出臺了,究竟由景觀師把持的 樹木辦 朝令夕改是在搞甚麼? 又叫其他政府部門和民間機構何去何從? 這群外行人真的是有能力去馭駕香港的樹木護理嗎? 還是只靠手中權力?

再看這所謂 “咨詢” 得出來的結果。 本會十多年來與國際交往,參考過無數國際樹藝規格,都未有見過如此分工仔細,以學歷和最低專業證照為主,甚至乎需要加入 “英語能力” 作為考慮的行業架構建議,的確大開眼界。 試問填一份粗糙落後、只有中英文三頁紙、連小學生都看得懂的 “驗樹報告表格二” (http://www.chinaarbor.com/caa-professionals-tra-form-2-%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E7%9A%84-%E6%A8%B9%E6%9C%A8%E9%A2%A8%E9%9A%AA%E8%A9%95%E4%BC%B0%E8%A1%A8%E6%A0%BC2/ ) ,要高等英語能力來幹什麼? 表示身份地位? 那為何不去統統要求需懂得在美國法院用英語與對方大律師辯答的 “顧問樹藝師” 牌照? 哪不是更有國際地位嗎?

還有一點,算您是找到全世界最好的樹藝師來香港驗樹,但填報的倒是粗糙落後的 “驗樹報告表格二”,這有如找最好的船長來開一艘滲水半傾斜的爛木頭船去橫渡大西洋,不翻船沒頂已算是走運,還希望要乘風破浪?

本會當然知道攪好香港的 “樹木管理” 需要怎樣做,其實一直在會訊都有說,還是公開的說,但是有關部門從來閉目塞聽,盡顯其霸王本色,令人失望。 香港需要的並非甚麼 1 + 1 然後 x 1 再 /1 才= 2 的複雜樹藝系統,而是要從人才入手。 香港並非沒有人才,而是用人不當。 因為一涉及到人,就會涉及行業利益, 有關部門有氣魄和遠見去決心改革嗎? 還是當一天的和尚,就敲一天的經?

香港的所謂 “樹木管理” ,已經諱疾忌醫,再交由一班化妝美容師去充當大夫,處理病情又以 “安樂死” 作為 “公眾安全考慮” ,醫病的人也永遠不錯,可以不停制訂各種 “醫療政策” 去管制行內執業者,用人唯親,瞎子摸象。 如此下去,大自然將會決定成敗,到時候賠了夫人又折兵,這又會是誰之過?

謹此致意!

中華樹藝師學會 會長 (www.chinaarbor.com)

歐永森

ASCA 美洲顧問樹藝師學會顧問樹藝師號 RCA#497 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2010/12/isa-hkchina-rac-in-asia.html)
IACA 澳洲顧問樹藝師學會顧問樹藝師號 ACM 0412011 (www.iaca.org.au)
CAS 英國顧問樹藝師學會 專業會員 (http://www.tree-expert-finder.co.uk/)
ISA 資深樹藝師/註冊攀樹師號 HK-0174BT (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2011/03/isa-hkchina-frist-bcma-in-asia.html)
ISA HK/China 執業樹藝師號 IPA-010908 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2010/04/isa-hkchina-tree-news-1441-report.html)
ISA 認證“樹木風險評估員” (www.isa-arbor.com )
SCMN 專業調解及談判學會註冊調解員號 CM-0044 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2012/01/isa-hkchina-mediation.html)

“如果樹木在設計和種植時犯錯,其護養必然昂貴,而最終也會變成"不定時炸彈" 。 ”

“速成出來的樹木評估員, 只能作出低質量的猜測。 大自然會決定成敗。 ”

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会员们:

本会近日从坊间获悉, 香港 树木办 在二月底搅了一个所谓的“行业咨询大会” ,但只是邀请了三数间“友好组织” ,和一众与其关系良好的学术机构,就当是完全有“行业代表性” 了。 这些“友好组织” 除了从来不对树木办作出任何批评以外,又以景观工程承包商为主(听令于景观师的人) ,最小的组织可能只有二十人左右,最大的也不过是百多人,这相对与CAA的七千人以上的庞大组织来比,相差甚远,其代表性相当存疑。

本会不受邀请出席这“大会”是意料中事。 更奇怪的是,为何香港管树最多 (超过700,000棵市区树) 、組織最大 (近七千名员工) 、最有历史 (从英国人到现在) 的康文署也没有被邀请? 假如有人将此就说成是具有 “行业代表性”,你在骗谁?

另外一点令人感觉莫名其妙的是,“验树第八改” (http://www.chinaarbor.com/caa-professionals-tram-guidelines-rev-8-%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E7%9A%84-%E9%A9%97%E6%A8%B9%E6%8C%87%E5%BC%95-%E7%AC%AC%E5%85%AB%E6%94%B9/) 出笼才不到四个月,新的“树艺人员资历建议” (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uj3l0nl0ioli5vw/AACZzvlYTEc1DblxGL2qJITsa? dl=0) 又准备“咨询”出台了,究竟由景观师把持的 树木办 朝令夕改是在搞什么? 又叫其他政府部门和民间机构何去何从? 这群外行人真的是有能力去驭驾香港的树木护理吗? 还是只靠手中权力?

再看这所谓 “咨询” 得出来的结果。 本会十多年来与国际交往,参考过无数国际树艺规格,都未有见过如此分工仔细,以学历和最低专业证照为主,甚至乎需要加入“英语能力” 作为考虑的行业架构建议,的确大开眼界。 试问填一份粗糙落后、只有中英文三页纸、连小学生都看得懂的“验树报告表格二” (http://www.chinaarbor.com/caa-professionals-tra-form-2-% E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E7%9A%84-%E6%A8%B9%E6%9C%A8%E9%A2%A8%E9%9A%AA%E8%A9%95%E4 %BC%B0%E8%A1%A8%E6%A0%BC2/ ) , 要高等英语能力来干什么? 表示身份地位? 那为何不去统统要求需懂得在美国法院用英语与对方大律师辩答的 “顾问树藝师” 牌照? 哪不是更有国际地位吗?

还有一点,算您是找到全世界最好的树艺师来香港验树,但填报的倒是粗糙落后的“验树报告表格二”,这有如找最好的船长来开一艘渗水半倾斜的烂木头船去横渡大西洋,不翻船没顶已算是走运,还希望要乘风破浪?

本会当然知道搅好香港的 “树木管理” 需要怎样做,其实一直在会讯都有说,还是公开的说,但是有关部门从来闭目塞听,尽显其霸王本色,令人失望。 香港需要的并非什么 1 + 1 然後 x 1 再 /1 才= 2 的复杂树艺系统,而是要从人才入手。 香港并非没有人才,而是用人不当。 因为一涉及到人,就会涉及行业利益, 有关部门有气魄和远见去决心改革吗? 还是当一天的和尚,就敲一天的经?

香港的所谓“树木管理” ,已经讳疾忌医,再交由一班化妆美容师去充当大夫,处理病情又以“安乐死” 作为“公众安全考虑”,医病的人也永远不错,可以不停制订各种“医疗政策” 去管制行内执业者,用人唯亲,瞎子摸象。 如此下去,大自然将会决定成败,到时候赔了夫人又折兵,这又会是谁之过?

谨此致意!

中华树艺师学会 会长 (www.chinaarbor.com)

欧永森

ASCA美洲顾问树艺师学会 顾问树艺师号 RCA#497 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2010/12/isa-hkchina-rac-in-asia.html)
IACA澳洲顾问树艺师学会 顾问树艺师号 ACM 0412011 (www.iaca.org.au)
CAS英國顧問樹藝師學會 專業會員 (http://www.tree-expert-finder.co.uk/ )
ISA资深树艺师/注册攀树师号 HK-0174BT (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2011/03/isa-hkchina-frist-bcma-in-asia.html)
ISA认证 “樹木风险评估员” (www.isa-arbor.com)
ISA HK/CHINA执业树艺师号 IPA-010908 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2010/04/isa-hkchina-tree-news-1441-report.html)
SCMN专业调解及谈判学会 注册调解员号 CM-0044 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2012/01/isa-hkchina-mediation.html)

“如果树木在设计和种植时犯错,其护养必然昂贵,而最终也会变成 "不定时炸弹" 。 ”

“速成出来的树木评估员, 只能作出低质量的猜測。 大自然会决定成败。 ”

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Dear Station Members,

HK appears to have invented one of the most complicated tree work credentialing system in the world through their so called “consultation with the industry”. Apparently, those who were invited to give opinions are friends of the landscape profession & some close associates. CAA & even the biggest tree care organization in HK, namely LCSD, were not even notified or attended at all.

This proposal can be downloaded at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uj3l0nl0ioli5vw/AACZzvlYTEc1DblxGL2qJITsa?dl=0 . CAA finds it bewildering to see why “English exam” is part of the requirement, as the Tree Risk Assessment Form 2 (http://www.chinaarbor.com/caa-professionals-tra-form-2-%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E7%9A%84-%E6%A8%B9%E6%9C%A8%E9%A2%A8%E9%9A%AA%E8%A9%95%E4%BC%B0%E8%A1%A8%E6%A0%BC2/) which is in both English & Chinese, can be understood enough to be filled in by primary school children. This inspection form is currently the standing method to assess tree risk in Govt projects in HK, no better.

There is also no known local academic qualification (http://www.chinaarbor.com/caa-professionals-a-comparison-of-hk-local-tree-management-courses-with-international-%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF%E6%9C%AC%E5%9C%9F%E7%9A%84%E6%89%80%E8%AC%82-%E6%A8%B9%E6%9C%A8%E7%AE%A1/) trained enough to compare with any international professional credentials (http://www.chinaarbor.com/caa-professionals-domains-of-modern-arboriculture-%E6%A8%B9%E8%97%9D%E8%A1%8C%E6%A5%AD%E7%9A%84%E5%AD%B8%E8%A1%93%E9%A0%98%E5%9F%9F/ ), especially the BCMA (www.isa-arbor.com), RCA (www.asca-consultants.org) or even National Cert in Horticulture (Arboriculture). We do not see any relationship in a degree course in Biology / Ecology /Env. Sci. / Geography in HK has anything to do with international Arboriculture either. Yet these are all accepted.

The holders of any Arboricultural degree in HK are mostly doing it from distant learning. We all know that distant learning cannot teach practical subjects like tree climbing, chainsaw uses, in situ tree risk assessment, pruning, etc. These are now taken as the main driving force in the system.

HK has shown herself deviating from the world in developing the Arborist Profession, & all is seen to be favouring the landscape industry on the other hand. This is not how the world would practice in the past hundred years. Arboriculture is an independent profession & is not put under the landscape profession in western countries. Yet HK is calling it “Tree Management” to try to replace arboriculture. We are not aware of any international society of tree management anywhere in the western world to call it universally representative.

CAA brought Morden Arboriculture into the China Region through HK in 2004, which has just started spreading in our territory. We have seen it twisted & bent by Govt agencies over the years in HK, which apparently working hard to try to put it under the landscape profession many a times. We certainly hope this practice will not be spread outside of HK, & we shall do our best to advise it to get on to the right track with every means we have.

best regards,

Sammy Au

President (Station Manager) of China Arborist Association (www.chinaarbor.com)
ASCA Registered Consulting Arborist no. RCA#497 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2010/12/isa-hkchina-first-rca-in-asia.html)
IACA Institute of Australian Consulting Arboriculturists Accredited Member no. ACM 0412011 (www.iaca.org.au)
CAS Consulting Arborist Society of the UK, Professional Member (http://www.tree-expert-finder.co.uk/ )
ISA Board Certified Master Arborist / Certified Tree Worker no. HK-0174BT (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2011/03/isa-hkchina-first-bcma-in-asia.html)
ISA Tree Risk Assessment Qualified (www.isa-arbor.com)
ISA HK/China Independent Practicing Arborist no. IPA-010908 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2010/04/isa-hkchina-hk-tree-news-14410-report.html)
SCMN Certified Mediator no. CM-0044 (http://isahkchina.blogspot.com/2012/01/isa-hkchina-mediation.html)

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